Depression Recovery

Question:

That was good, Ron.  I couldn’t have written it better myself.  I personally can think of several reasons you didn’t directly spam.  The first and most obvious is that it is against the policy of this group and we would report your to your ISP. The other reason is totally a projection on my part who’s scenario goes like this:  If I wanted to sell something I would certainly not obviously alienate at least 95% of a group of people who respond very negatively to sales in this format.  Now I am assuming you are as least as bright as I am and I certainly wouldn’t come in , guns blazing, and tout a product line.  I would first read this group and see that selling is a bad no/no.  My plan would then need a component that would keep me cool with my ISP and keep me cool with the 15% of the members of the group who might just be interested in the "what I used to make me better" part of my story.  My personal plan would be to just lay it out there and tell people "I don’t care where you buy it, just buy it." Now your story may be absolutely true, your recovery might be absolutely bonafide, and you may be just a kind soul trying to help.  However, I doubt that if I contact your wife and want to distribute products or buy products that I will be turned down.  In finishing this, the step I would take that you did not, would be to first introduce myself as a newbie, then respond to other issues that come up in the group, and then when I had developed trust I’d move in for the kill (Don’t worry, guys, I haven’t been hanging around all of these years giving away supplements, chinese herbs, etc. just to move in for the kill now…!). Now for a general question:  Why is it that evey salesperson or zealot who comes along finally needs to tell us that we are close-minded, mean-spirited, and filled with self-pitty because we smell a sale afoot.   Last and certainly not least, if you thought rosie’s response was a crucification, I hope and pray you develope a thicker skin and as for your assumtion (which far outweighs any assuption about your motives that this group has made) that Rosie needs to enjoy life more I find that just laughable. Rosie is a hoot and enjoyed evey minute of her response to you. Oh and one more thing, it doesn’t matter if we think the products helped you, it only matters if you sell them  No one is saying you are selling products that do not work, we’re saying IT IS AGAINST THE POLICY OF THIS GROUP TO SELL THINGS HERE.  If you believe in your products, give them away.  I do. Melinda (who is hoping you have a terrific day and that your wife does well this week with her product line and that you help many people with OA with these wonderful products and that you will come back and give them away here bacause that is all you can do without violating newsgroup policy.)

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Dear Dr. Susan,     Thank you! You did a more complete job than I…thanks. Nice to be doing the same as you were at the same time.  Thanks again!! RD Hugs from Rosie — "If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself." — Meat Loaf, Bat Outta Hell II

>The company name is Oasis Wellness and the website is

www.oasisnetwork.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Check out the products and their research protocols. > So I did. His Bone and joint compound is low dose > glucosamine/chondroitin with some other stuff thrown in. > Each tablet contains allegedly 125 mg of glucosamine and 75 mg of > chondroitin.  They state that the recommended dietary supplement dose > is two to four tablets per day.  They also have low amounts of > miscellaneous other stuff such as 42.5 mg of calcium in each tablet, > 50 U vitamin D3, vitamin C 50 mg per tablet, some miscellaneous other > minerals, their special ingredient which is MaxCell, an aloe > derivative, horsetai other ingredients including silica!. > God knows why you would want all this stuff together at > these doses. > To get the amount of glucosamine that is being studied for preventing > cartilege loss, you would need to take 12 tablets per day. That would > also give you 600 IU of vitamin D3 which if you take any additional D > could make you potentially vitamin D toxic. It also would not give you > enough calcium – 12 tablets would only give 570 mg so you would be > potentially calcium deficient – RDA is 1000.  And if you then drank > milk with D3, you would run the risk of becoming D toxic. > Similarly there is not enough chondroitin either as the studied dosage > is 1200 mg and 4 tablets would provide only 300 mg per day. > So you would need 16 tablets to get the doses of chondroitin sulfate > that are currently being studied and that many of us recommend. > But 16 tablets would definitely push you toward vitamin D toxicity > with 800 IU of D3 per day. > Now this is assuming that there is some quality control and the > tablets contain what they say they do. As many of you know, > there is great variability among supplements.  Dr Theo’s Web site > has good data on which supplements actually contain the > amount of glucosamine and chondroitin they claim.  Maybe Dr Theo > ought to look at OasisWellness. I think I will cc this post to him. > Finally, you can’t tell from the Website what the cost is.  To order > you need something called an AssociateID Number. But > I bet this stuff ain’t cheap. > There are better and more reputable sources of glucosamine and > chondroitin out there. > And better ways to get calcium and D. > And who needs horsetail and silica? > DrSusan

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Hiya, Steve,     And congrats, belated, on finishing your coursework. Kudos to you!     Ok…what this stuff is, from the site. I picked the Bone and Joint Formula as apropos to us gimps: Active Ingredients: Vitamin C, Vitamin D-3, calcium ( aspartate and phosphate), magnesium (citrate), glucosamine sulfate, chondroitin sulfate, MCHC, boron (citrate). Some other stuffs in there such as: manganese, horsetail, and something called MaxCell…but these 3 are not listed as active ingredients. MCHC is a dibasic calcium phosphate: 3ca3(PO)4Ca(OH)2. It stands for microcrystalline hydroxyapatite…not proprietary, ‘cuz I found it as a stand alone pill at Clarion Pharmaceutical….just happened to be the first on my search list.. I’m not allowed on the pricing page because I gotta get an Associate’s Number to see what this costs. Gee…GS/C is news? There it is…it’s whut’s for sale. What’s the big deal?  LOLOL & sheesh Hugs to Steve & Becky from Rosie — "If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself." — Meat Loaf, Bat Outta Hell II

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->been suckered in several times trying to find "the cure"), but at the same >time, ask questions, check me out, tell me you don’t want to know about what >I have to say…but don’t attack my motives just because you assume that my >intentions are bad. > Why don’t you just tell us what it is? It’s the very secrecy about it > that makes people suspicious. Generally, if someone is just wanting to > offer up that which has helped them they’ll come right out and say > what it is. Saying "email me for details" is a common sales tactic on > the net. Why not just say what helped you and leave it at that?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->The company name is Oasis Wellness and the website is www.oasisnetwork.com >Check out the products and their research protocols. >So I did. His Bone and joint compound is low dose >glucosamine/chondroitin with some other stuff thrown in. >Each tablet contains allegedly 125 mg of glucosamine and 75 mg of >chondroitin.  They state that the recommended dietary supplement dose >is two to four tablets per day.  They also have low amounts of >miscellaneous other stuff such as 42.5 mg of calcium in each tablet, >50 U vitamin D3, vitamin C 50 mg per tablet, some miscellaneous other >minerals, their special ingredient which is MaxCell, an aloe >derivative, horsetai other ingredients including silica!. >God knows why you would want all this stuff together at >these doses. >To get the amount of glucosamine that is being studied for preventing >cartilege loss, you would need to take 12 tablets per day. That would >also give you 600 IU of vitamin D3 which if you take any additional D >could make you potentially vitamin D toxic. It also would not give you >enough calcium – 12 tablets would only give 570 mg so you would be >potentially calcium deficient – RDA is 1000.  And if you then drank >milk with D3, you would run the risk of becoming D toxic. >Similarly there is not enough chondroitin either as the studied dosage >is 1200 mg and 4 tablets would provide only 300 mg per day. >So you would need 16 tablets to get the doses of chondroitin sulfate >that are currently being studied and that many of us recommend. >But 16 tablets would definitely push you toward vitamin D toxicity >with 800 IU of D3 per day. >Now this is assuming that there is some quality control and the >tablets contain what they say they do. As many of you know, >there is great variability among supplements.  Dr Theo’s Web site >has good data on which supplements actually contain the >amount of glucosamine and chondroitin they claim.  Maybe Dr Theo >ought to look at OasisWellness. I think I will cc this post to him. >Finally, you can’t tell from the Website what the cost is.  To order >you need something called an AssociateID Number. But >I bet this stuff ain’t cheap. >There are better and more reputable sources of glucosamine and >chondroitin out there. >And better ways to get calcium and D.

Thanks for the analysis Dr. Sue. >And who needs horsetail and silica?

Horses and Hortas? <g>

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>The company name is Oasis Wellness and the website is www.oasisnetwork.com >Check out the products and their research protocols.

So I did. His Bone and joint compound is low dose glucosamine/chondroitin with some other stuff thrown in. Each tablet contains allegedly 125 mg of glucosamine and 75 mg of chondroitin.  They state that the recommended dietary supplement dose is two to four tablets per day.  They also have low amounts of miscellaneous other stuff such as 42.5 mg of calcium in each tablet, 50 U vitamin D3, vitamin C 50 mg per tablet, some miscellaneous other minerals, their special ingredient which is MaxCell, an aloe derivative, horsetai other ingredients including silica!. God knows why you would want all this stuff together at these doses. To get the amount of glucosamine that is being studied for preventing cartilege loss, you would need to take 12 tablets per day. That would also give you 600 IU of vitamin D3 which if you take any additional D could make you potentially vitamin D toxic. It also would not give you enough calcium – 12 tablets would only give 570 mg so you would be potentially calcium deficient – RDA is 1000.  And if you then drank milk with D3, you would run the risk of becoming D toxic. Similarly there is not enough chondroitin either as the studied dosage is 1200 mg and 4 tablets would provide only 300 mg per day. So you would need 16 tablets to get the doses of chondroitin sulfate that are currently being studied and that many of us recommend. But 16 tablets would definitely push you toward vitamin D toxicity with 800 IU of D3 per day. Now this is assuming that there is some quality control and the tablets contain what they say they do. As many of you know, there is great variability among supplements.  Dr Theo’s Web site has good data on which supplements actually contain the amount of glucosamine and chondroitin they claim.  Maybe Dr Theo ought to look at OasisWellness. I think I will cc this post to him. Finally, you can’t tell from the Website what the cost is.  To order you need something called an AssociateID Number. But I bet this stuff ain’t cheap. There are better and more reputable sources of glucosamine and chondroitin out there. And better ways to get calcium and D. And who needs horsetail and silica? DrSusan

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> <snip>, you ignorant jerk (sorry, > just can’t hold back the frustration you guys create)  I’ve never met a more > offensive bunch of people.

I really had nothing to say in this thread until now.  If this is the way you feel… GO AWAY. and you wont have to deal with the "jerks again". I was really neutral until you started name calling.  How arrogant. Donald

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I Win!!!  I Win!!!  I knew this was really good old Christopher the "nwarrior" and he’d get around to the name calling sooner rather than later. I sure hope we never get any folks whom really have arthritis and post through "cablespeed.com" as I’ve just put the whole damned ISP in my twit filter. — Be Well, Larry

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> You obviously haven’t read my first post explaining my situation.  Why > doesn’t that surprise me?

You’re smarter than you first appeared to be?  You’ve seen it all and have the Tee Shirt? — Be Well, Larry

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If you look at the thread from the beginning, you’ll see that I wasn’t the one who started calling anyone names.  I responded to the ignorance that was presented to me.  I should just pack up and leave, but I just feel like all you people shout a little too loud for me not to believe that you’re working for Merck, Abbott or any number of drug-related companies.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I Win!!!  I Win!!!  I knew this was really good old Christopher the > "nwarrior" and he’d get around to the name calling sooner rather than later. > I sure hope we never get any folks whom really have arthritis and post > through "cablespeed.com" as I’ve just put the whole damned ISP in my twit > filter. > — > Be Well, > Larry

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In a single day of transparent, obvious chicanery, wealthmaker went from snake-oil hawking to ugly, abusive, & arrogant spewage of insults (the last resort of a small mind): – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->And you’re not a very good speller…so, what’s your point?   > you ignorant jerk > I’ve never met a more offensive bunch of people.   > it’s people >like you who need to look somewhere else to tell your lies and hawk your >close-minded BS.   >You’re really no better at listening and being open-minded than Rosie >was…you’re just more long-winded and sarcastic. >you’re so caught up in your own misery and self-pity that you have no idea >what you’re talking about.   >You’re close-minded, mean-spirited, clearly >without any degree of understanding or caring and intent upon putting down >anyone… >You’re too funny to respond to… >Your attitude and >response lead me to this question, "WHO DO YOU WORK FOR?" >just because my wife signed up as a distributor >doesn’t mean this is a sales job.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Heh.  Oh yes.  Absolutely.  Sure thing! <snort> >just because my wife signed up as a distributor >doesn’t mean this is a sales job.

<chortle> >just because my wife signed up as a distributor >doesn’t mean this is a sales job.

hehehe! <wiping eyes> >just because my wife signed up as a distributor >doesn’t mean this is a sales job.

heHEE heHEE heHEE heHEE! Yer killin’ me here! >just because my wife signed up as a distributor >doesn’t mean this is a sales job.

heheheheheheheheheheheheheheHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! <gasp> <hiccup> <holding sides> <gets up from floor, sits back down in chair> <attempts to wipe root beer off monitor and keyboard> eh-HEH, eh-HEH!  Whew.  That was a good one. Paul Rad

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Ron, I support your conviction all the way.  I am committed to complementary medicine and think my so far success without DMARD’S or NSAID’s is certainly attributable to herbs, thymus, and indeed aloe among many others.  I am not against your product or denying your experience.  I am against is  your process of name calling and I would like you to address the issue here and acknowledge that we do not allow sales of anything on this particular newsgroup.   Why is it when spammers (and I didn’t call you that before until I read your response to Gord in another thread which makes it spam now) get called on their process they all start throwing personal slurs.   Melinda

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>been suckered in several times trying to find "the cure"), but at the same >time, ask questions, check me out, tell me you don’t want to know about what >I have to say…but don’t attack my motives just because you assume that my >intentions are bad.

Why don’t you just tell us what it is? It’s the very secrecy about it that makes people suspicious. Generally, if someone is just wanting to offer up that which has helped them they’ll come right out and say what it is. Saying "email me for details" is a common sales tactic on the net. Why not just say what helped you and leave it at that?

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Hi, johnie. tho’ I’ve got a rhino hide by now, being a hoot is a very nice thing to be. <grins>      Lemme know if you want my pic, Melinda…my brown eyes are owlish. LOL Anyone who signs up (fer free, natcherly) at WeMedia.com can see my pic there on the message boards as well……Fibromyalgia. Hoo-Hoo Hugs to j & M from Rosie — "If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself." — Meat Loaf, Bat Outta Hell II

> Ron dearest, Your not very good at this but as you say we are your > first. With practice you will fleece someone eventually. BTW./You have > been reported for your solicitation in another thread. > johnie

.>took out the trash<

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Steve: Actually, I thought that naming something like that would be offensive to the group as be solicitous.  I have no problem naming what helped me and letting anyone check it out for themselves.  I guess I just feel dubious about people who can talk about big drugs like Vioxx, Celebrex etc, but get offended when someone brings up a natural product that did the trick.  If this settles this whole thing, that’s fine with me.  All I ever wanted was to share my experience and tell folks what worked for me. The company name is Oasis Wellness and the website is www.oasisnetwork.com Check out the products and their research protocols.  You can even ask the President of the company (a biochemist) questions about interactions, efficacies, etc.  I hope anyone who tries it gains the same relief I did. Good luck to you. Ron Pagano

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->been suckered in several times trying to find "the cure"), but at the same >time, ask questions, check me out, tell me you don’t want to know about what >I have to say…but don’t attack my motives just because you assume that my >intentions are bad. > Why don’t you just tell us what it is? It’s the very secrecy about it > that makes people suspicious. Generally, if someone is just wanting to > offer up that which has helped them they’ll come right out and say > what it is. Saying "email me for details" is a common sales tactic on > the net. Why not just say what helped you and leave it at that?

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You obviously haven’t read my first post explaining my situation.  Why doesn’t that surprise me? Ron

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Calling potential customers names is going to cut into your bottom line > something awful.  But it doesn’t really matter, does it, since you aren’t > going to be selling anything here!  Just out of curiosity, why is a lawyer > selling arthritis remedies on the Internet?  Can’t find anyone to sue today? > Becky

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And you’re not a very good speller…so, what’s your point?  I have never solicited anyone and don’t appreciate your intimation.  I really do believe in the conspiracy theory…that the big drug cos pay folks like you to put down people like me who are honest, of the highest integrity and truly trying to be fair in the way I communicate my personal relief experience. Why are you so against someone who has gone through as much, if not more, than you? And how dare you accuse me of fleecing anyone, you ignorant jerk (sorry, just can’t hold back the frustration you guys create)  I’ve never met a more offensive bunch of people.  I know that isn’t true of everyone in this group because I’ve gotten several supportive e-mails from users, but it’s people like you who need to look somewhere else to tell your lies and hawk your close-minded BS.  Like I said before, if I wanted to solicit here, I would have just posted the website and left.  That’s not what this is about.  I thought we were here to help each other…guess I was wrong.. Ron

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ron dearest, Your not very good at this but as you say we are your > first. With practice you will fleece someone eventually. BTW./You have > been reported for your solicitation in another thread. > johnie > Keep up your good work and know that I will keep up mine. By the way, your > "From" name (QuanYin9) isn’t meant to be an ad is it? Also, what’s scary to > me is that you could create the scenario you created…that takes someone > who has given it plenty of thought. Hmmmmmmm!

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Calling potential customers names is going to cut into your bottom line something awful.  But it doesn’t really matter, does it, since you aren’t going to be selling anything here!  Just out of curiosity, why is a lawyer selling arthritis remedies on the Internet?  Can’t find anyone to sue today? Becky

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So why is it that I’ve received several direct e-mails telling me that they support my conviction?  I really don’t know anyone here, but based upon your intolerance, I can see where the idea of conspiracies come from.  If I didn’t know better, I’d swear you guys work for the big drug companies.  I get total relief from my OA, avoid my next hip replacement, etc, try to share something (without spamming or soliciting or trying to personally profit from it) and you guys try to get me for "fleecing" you.  You obviously don’t know what it’s like to go through the pain, misery and depression associated with OA.  Or, if you’ve experienced it, you’d know that what I’m trying to do is just share my good experience.  I’ve said it over and over, but no one seems to listen: Don’t buy anything from me…go to the company website direct…check out the research, the product and buy it there, or don’t buy it anywhere.  I really don’t understand why you continue to carry on like you do.  No wonder the big drug cos can keep us so drugged! Ron Pagano

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ron > You must have paid good attention at "Spam School" because you are doing > everything by the textbook. > 1) If as you said you just want to help then do like was suggested and give > away your product because everyone knows that a genuine caring person would > never want to make a profit off of someone’s suffering > 2) If you are legitimate business then you PAY for advertising..that’s part > of the cost of doing business > 3) Any business person must understand their target audience. YOU DON"T or > you would understand the reaction to your thinly veiled sales pitch > KP > You’re really no better at listening and being open-minded than Rosie > was…you’re just more long-winded and sarcastic.  To be honest with you, > I > don’t need to stick around to receive anyone’s trust…that’s for people > who > have problems with trust themselves.  I’m not saying that there aren’t > people out there that have nothing on their minds but making a buck (I’ve > been suckered in several times trying to find "the cure"), but at the same > time, ask questions, check me out, tell me you don’t want to know about > what > I have to say…but don’t attack my motives just because you assume that > my > intentions are bad. > This is the first newsgroup I’ve ever contacted and to be honest with you, > I’m not impressed.  You talk about garnering trust by giving away > products…that’s wonderful and you’re probably a very nice person.  But I > already said in my previous post that I don’t care if someone buys these > products from my wife or goes directly to the company website.  I can’t > afford to give product away for free…my wife and I have put that down as > a > goal (and we are paying for three friends of ours who can’t afford product > themselves) If you can, kudos to you, but don’t think my intentions are > any > less noble.  My intent was to let fellow OA sufferers know about something > that really worked for me.  If this is how I’m perceived (as a > money-grubbing sales zealot) so be it.  If that’s what it takes for people > to find out about these products, I’m willing to be called that and worse, > because I know what having OA is all about.  I wish someone had told me > about these products a long time ago. > Keep up your good work and know that I will keep up mine. By the way, your > "From" name (QuanYin9) isn’t meant to be an ad is it? Also, what’s scary > to > me is that you could create the scenario you created…that takes someone > who has given it plenty of thought. Hmmmmmmm! > Regards, > Ron > > That was good, Ron.  I couldn’t have written it better myself.  I > personally > > can think of several reasons you didn’t directly spam.  The first and > most > > obvious is that it is against the policy of this group and we would > report > your > > to your ISP. The other reason is totally a projection on my part who’s > scenario > > goes like this:  If I wanted to sell something I would certainly not > obviously > > alienate at least 95% of a group of people who respond very negatively > to > sales > > in this format.  Now I am assuming you are as least as bright as I am > and > I > > certainly wouldn’t come in , guns blazing, and tout a product line.  I > would > > first read this group and see that selling is a bad no/no.  My plan > would > then > > need a component that would keep me cool with my ISP and keep me cool > with > the > > 15% of the members of the group who might just be interested in the > "what > I > > used to make me better" part of my story.  My personal plan would be to > just > > lay it out there and tell people "I don’t care where you buy it, just > buy > it." > > Now your story may be absolutely true, your recovery might be absolutely > > bonafide, and you may be just a kind soul trying to help.  However, I > doubt > > that if I contact your wife and want to distribute products or buy > products > > that I will be turned down.  In finishing this, the step I would take > that > you > > did not, would be to first introduce myself as a newbie, then respond to > other > > issues that come up in the group, and then when I had developed trust > I’d > move > > in for the kill (Don’t worry, guys, I haven’t been hanging around all of > these > > years giving away supplements, chinese herbs, etc. just to move in for > the > kill > > now…!). > > Now for a general question:  Why is it that evey salesperson or zealot > who > > comes along finally needs to tell us that we are close-minded, > mean-spirited, > > and filled with self-pitty because we smell a sale afoot. > > Last and certainly not least, if you thought rosie’s response was a > > crucification, I hope and pray you develope a thicker skin and as for > your > > assumtion (which far outweighs any assuption about your motives that > this > group > > has made) that Rosie needs to enjoy life more I find that just > laughable. > > Rosie is a hoot and enjoyed evey minute of her response to you. > > Oh and one more thing, it doesn’t matter if we think the products helped > you, > > it only matters if you sell them  No one is saying you are selling > products > > that do not work, we’re saying IT IS AGAINST THE POLICY OF THIS GROUP TO > SELL > > THINGS HERE.  If you believe in your products, give them away.  I do. > > Melinda (who is hoping you have a terrific day and that your wife does > well > > this week with her product line and that you help many people with OA > with > > these wonderful products and that you will come back and give them away > here > > bacause that is all you can do without violating newsgroup policy.)

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Ron You must have paid good attention at "Spam School" because you are doing everything by the textbook. 1) If as you said you just want to help then do like was suggested and give away your product because everyone knows that a genuine caring person would never want to make a profit off of someone’s suffering 2) If you are legitimate business then you PAY for advertising..that’s part of the cost of doing business 3) Any business person must understand their target audience. YOU DON"T or you would understand the reaction to your thinly veiled sales pitch KP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You’re really no better at listening and being open-minded than Rosie > was…you’re just more long-winded and sarcastic.  To be honest with you, I > don’t need to stick around to receive anyone’s trust…that’s for people who > have problems with trust themselves.  I’m not saying that there aren’t > people out there that have nothing on their minds but making a buck (I’ve > been suckered in several times trying to find "the cure"), but at the same > time, ask questions, check me out, tell me you don’t want to know about what > I have to say…but don’t attack my motives just because you assume that my > intentions are bad. > This is the first newsgroup I’ve ever contacted and to be honest with you, > I’m not impressed.  You talk about garnering trust by giving away > products…that’s wonderful and you’re probably a very nice person.  But I > already said in my previous post that I don’t care if someone buys these > products from my wife or goes directly to the company website.  I can’t > afford to give product away for free…my wife and I have put that down as a > goal (and we are paying for three friends of ours who can’t afford product > themselves) If you can, kudos to you, but don’t think my intentions are any > less noble.  My intent was to let fellow OA sufferers know about something > that really worked for me.  If this is how I’m perceived (as a > money-grubbing sales zealot) so be it.  If that’s what it takes for people > to find out about these products, I’m willing to be called that and worse, > because I know what having OA is all about.  I wish someone had told me > about these products a long time ago. > Keep up your good work and know that I will keep up mine. By the way, your > "From" name (QuanYin9) isn’t meant to be an ad is it? Also, what’s scary to > me is that you could create the scenario you created…that takes someone > who has given it plenty of thought. Hmmmmmmm! > Regards, > Ron > That was good, Ron.  I couldn’t have written it better myself.  I > personally > can think of several reasons you didn’t directly spam.  The first and most > obvious is that it is against the policy of this group and we would report > your > to your ISP. The other reason is totally a projection on my part who’s > scenario > goes like this:  If I wanted to sell something I would certainly not > obviously > alienate at least 95% of a group of people who respond very negatively to > sales > in this format.  Now I am assuming you are as least as bright as I am and > I > certainly wouldn’t come in , guns blazing, and tout a product line.  I > would > first read this group and see that selling is a bad no/no.  My plan would > then > need a component that would keep me cool with my ISP and keep me cool with > the > 15% of the members of the group who might just be interested in the "what > I > used to make me better" part of my story.  My personal plan would be to > just > lay it out there and tell people "I don’t care where you buy it, just buy > it." > Now your story may be absolutely true, your recovery might be absolutely > bonafide, and you may be just a kind soul trying to help.  However, I > doubt > that if I contact your wife and want to distribute products or buy > products > that I will be turned down.  In finishing this, the step I would take that > you > did not, would be to first introduce myself as a newbie, then respond to > other > issues that come up in the group, and then when I had developed trust I’d > move > in for the kill (Don’t worry, guys, I haven’t been hanging around all of > these > years giving away supplements, chinese herbs, etc. just to move in for the > kill > now…!). > Now for a general question:  Why is it that evey salesperson or zealot who > comes along finally needs to tell us that we are close-minded, > mean-spirited, > and filled with self-pitty because we smell a sale afoot. > Last and certainly not least, if you thought rosie’s response was a > crucification, I hope and pray you develope a thicker skin and as for your > assumtion (which far outweighs any assuption about your motives that this > group > has made) that Rosie needs to enjoy life more I find that just laughable. > Rosie is a hoot and enjoyed evey minute of her response to you. > Oh and one more thing, it doesn’t matter if we think the products helped > you, > it only matters if you sell them  No one is saying you are selling > products > that do not work, we’re saying IT IS AGAINST THE POLICY OF THIS GROUP TO > SELL > THINGS HERE.  If you believe in your products, give them away.  I do. > Melinda (who is hoping you have a terrific day and that your wife does > well > this week with her product line and that you help many people with OA with > these wonderful products and that you will come back and give them away > here > bacause that is all you can do without violating newsgroup policy.)

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Ron dearest, Your not very good at this but as you say we are your first. With practice you will fleece someone eventually. BTW./You have been reported for your solicitation in another thread. johnie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Keep up your good work and know that I will keep up mine. By the way, your > "From" name (QuanYin9) isn’t meant to be an ad is it? Also, what’s scary to > me is that you could create the scenario you created…that takes someone > who has given it plenty of thought. Hmmmmmmm!

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You’re really no better at listening and being open-minded than Rosie was…you’re just more long-winded and sarcastic.  To be honest with you, I don’t need to stick around to receive anyone’s trust…that’s for people who have problems with trust themselves.  I’m not saying that there aren’t people out there that have nothing on their minds but making a buck (I’ve been suckered in several times trying to find "the cure"), but at the same time, ask questions, check me out, tell me you don’t want to know about what I have to say…but don’t attack my motives just because you assume that my intentions are bad. This is the first newsgroup I’ve ever contacted and to be honest with you, I’m not impressed.  You talk about garnering trust by giving away products…that’s wonderful and you’re probably a very nice person.  But I already said in my previous post that I don’t care if someone buys these products from my wife or goes directly to the company website.  I can’t afford to give product away for free…my wife and I have put that down as a goal (and we are paying for three friends of ours who can’t afford product themselves) If you can, kudos to you, but don’t think my intentions are any less noble.  My intent was to let fellow OA sufferers know about something that really worked for me.  If this is how I’m perceived (as a money-grubbing sales zealot) so be it.  If that’s what it takes for people to find out about these products, I’m willing to be called that and worse, because I know what having OA is all about.  I wish someone had told me about these products a long time ago. Keep up your good work and know that I will keep up mine. By the way, your "From" name (QuanYin9) isn’t meant to be an ad is it? Also, what’s scary to me is that you could create the scenario you created…that takes someone who has given it plenty of thought. Hmmmmmmm! Regards, Ron

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> That was good, Ron.  I couldn’t have written it better myself.  I personally > can think of several reasons you didn’t directly spam.  The first and most > obvious is that it is against the policy of this group and we would report your > to your ISP. The other reason is totally a projection on my part who’s scenario > goes like this:  If I wanted to sell something I would certainly not obviously > alienate at least 95% of a group of people who respond very negatively to sales > in this format.  Now I am assuming you are as least as bright as I am and I > certainly wouldn’t come in , guns blazing, and tout a product line.  I would > first read this group and see that selling is a bad no/no.  My plan would then > need a component that would keep me cool with my ISP and keep me cool with the > 15% of the members of the group who might just be interested in the "what I > used to make me better" part of my story.  My personal plan would be to just > lay it out there and tell people "I don’t care where you buy it, just buy it." > Now your story may be absolutely true, your recovery might be absolutely > bonafide, and you may be just a kind soul trying to help.  However, I doubt > that if I contact your wife and want to distribute products or buy products > that I will be turned down.  In finishing this, the step I would take that you > did not, would be to first introduce myself as a newbie, then respond to other > issues that come up in the group, and then when I had developed trust I’d move > in for the kill (Don’t worry, guys, I haven’t been hanging around all of these > years giving away supplements, chinese herbs, etc. just to move in for the kill > now…!). > Now for a general question:  Why is it that evey salesperson or zealot who > comes along finally needs to tell us that we are close-minded, mean-spirited, > and filled with self-pitty because we smell a sale afoot. > Last and certainly not least, if you thought rosie’s response was a > crucification, I hope and pray you develope a thicker skin and as for your > assumtion (which far outweighs any assuption about your motives that this group > has made) that Rosie needs to enjoy life more I find that just laughable. > Rosie is a hoot and enjoyed evey minute of her response to you. > Oh and one more thing, it doesn’t matter if we think the products helped you, > it only matters if you sell them  No one is saying you are selling products > that do not work, we’re saying IT IS AGAINST THE POLICY OF THIS GROUP TO SELL > THINGS HERE.  If you believe in your products, give them away.  I do. > Melinda (who is hoping you have a terrific day and that your wife does well > this week with her product line and that you help many people with OA with > these wonderful products and that you will come back and give them away here > bacause that is all you can do without violating newsgroup policy.)

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And I’m thankful for that, dear Rosie.  Good luck to you. Ronald A. Pagano, JD

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ya think? I admit to being demented. Happy to have been hilarious for ya, > even if I’m mean spirited and without understanding….at least I can spark > mirth.  Self pity? Me? Nah..I’m too crazed for pity, whether from myself or > others. > I do admit I’m demented, always have done so. Whut’s yer excuse, dood? LOLOL > Still Rosie After All These Years > P.S. I ain’t so nutz that ‘ll waste any more typing time on you. > — > "If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself." > — Meat Loaf, Bat Outta Hell II > Rosemarie: > You’re right, your voice IS "loud and clear."  The unfortunate thing is > that > you’re so caught up in your own misery and self-pity that you have no idea > what you’re talking about.  You’re close-minded, mean-spirited, clearly > without any degree of understanding or caring and intent upon putting down > anyone who wants to share honest information in a way that utilizes > integrity and honesty. > If I wanted to SPAM, why didn’t I just name the company and give you the > website?  I’m sure 1/2 dozen or more would have checked it out.  But > that’s > not how I did it, right?  I explained my position, knowing full well that > I > would open myself up to ignorant people.  But, the truth is that I don’t > really care about the ignorant people, because they are too self-pitying > to > deserve my caring.  If you were truly concerned, you would check out what > I > say, investigate it, then expose me for the liar or truthteller that I am. > No, you just want to crucify before trial and keep yourself in the > spotlight.  I hope you enjoy life a little more than that Rosemarie. > Unlike your wish upon me that I have a "cruddy" day (is that the > scientific > or lay term?), I truly wish for you to have a wonderful, pain-free day, > and > to enjoy all that life has to offer. > Ronald A. Pagano, JD > I don’t. I don’t work for anyone. I used to, but I don’t now. I suppose I > just need to be told what my problem is….and what I  have no idea about. > I also suppose if I had an earned Juris Doctorate I could practice law > from > a wheelchair instead of posting to help my spouse SPAM. Because my mind > still works fine…my voice is loud and clear, and I could reponsibly > practice law. > I ’spose THAT’S what my problem is…like I needed YOU to say??? > Kindly take a long, long stroll offa short pier. Do please take yer wife’s > SPAM with you. > Have a cruddy day. > Rosie Shiver > — > "If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself." > — Meat Loaf, Bat Outta Hell II > > You guys are too much…just because my wife signed up as a distributor > > doesn’t mean this is a sales job.  You’ll be happy to know (or maybe > not, > > since it destroys your cynicism) that my e-mail address result > of > > my estate planning practice.  As a cute corresponding e-mail, my wife > came > > Your problem is you think everyone is out to rip you off.  You obviously > > didn’t read my entire e-mail that explained right up front my and my > wife’s > > position and THAT’S why I didn’t include the company or product name. I > > could have just put out the website and said check it out, but I didn’t. > We > > truly don’t care if you want to buy these products from someone else. I > > HAVE BEEN THERE…MY STORY ISN’T A LIE, NOR IS IT HYPED.  I’ll be happy > to > > send anyone a copy of my x-rays.  If you don’t want to try something, > then > > don’t, but also don’t jump to conclusions about someone’s sincerity. I > know > > what OA sufferers go through…I’ve cried through the pain, the > depression > > and the feeling of powerlessness.  So don’t you dare to presume what my > > intentions are.  It’s people like you that make it possible for the drug > > companies to keep their stranglehold on us. > > If you really cared about this group and people sufferering from OA, > you’d > > check it out first before immediately becoming critical.  Your attitude > and > > response lead me to this question, "WHO DO YOU WORK FOR?" > > Ronald A. Pagano, JD

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Ya think? I admit to being demented. Happy to have been hilarious for ya, even if I’m mean spirited and without understanding….at least I can spark mirth.  Self pity? Me? Nah..I’m too crazed for pity, whether from myself or others. I do admit I’m demented, always have done so. Whut’s yer excuse, dood? LOLOL Still Rosie After All These Years P.S. I ain’t so nutz that ‘ll waste any more typing time on you. — "If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself." — Meat Loaf, Bat Outta Hell II – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Rosemarie: > You’re right, your voice IS "loud and clear."  The unfortunate thing is that > you’re so caught up in your own misery and self-pity that you have no idea > what you’re talking about.  You’re close-minded, mean-spirited, clearly > without any degree of understanding or caring and intent upon putting down > anyone who wants to share honest information in a way that utilizes > integrity and honesty. > If I wanted to SPAM, why didn’t I just name the company and give you the > website?  I’m sure 1/2 dozen or more would have checked it out.  But that’s > not how I did it, right?  I explained my position, knowing full well that I > would open myself up to ignorant people.  But, the truth is that I don’t > really care about the ignorant people, because they are too self-pitying to > deserve my caring.  If you were truly concerned, you would check out what I > say, investigate it, then expose me for the liar or truthteller that I am. > No, you just want to crucify before trial and keep yourself in the > spotlight.  I hope you enjoy life a little more than that Rosemarie. > Unlike your wish upon me that I have a "cruddy" day (is that the scientific > or lay term?), I truly wish for you to have a wonderful, pain-free day, and > to enjoy all that life has to offer. > Ronald A. Pagano, JD > I don’t. I don’t work for anyone. I used to, but I don’t now. I suppose I > just need to be told what my problem is….and what I  have no idea about. > I also suppose if I had an earned Juris Doctorate I could practice law from > a wheelchair instead of posting to help my spouse SPAM. Because my mind > still works fine…my voice is loud and clear, and I could reponsibly > practice law. > I ’spose THAT’S what my problem is…like I needed YOU to say??? > Kindly take a long, long stroll offa short pier. Do please take yer wife’s > SPAM with you. > Have a cruddy day. > Rosie Shiver > — > "If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself." > — Meat Loaf, Bat Outta Hell II > You guys are too much…just because my wife signed up as a distributor > doesn’t mean this is a sales job.  You’ll be happy to know (or maybe not, > since it destroys your cynicism) that my e-mail address of > my estate planning practice.  As a cute corresponding e-mail, my wife came > Your problem is you think everyone is out to rip you off.  You obviously > didn’t read my entire e-mail that explained right up front my and my > wife’s > position and THAT’S why I didn’t include the company or product name.  I > could have just put out the website and said check it out, but I didn’t. > We > truly don’t care if you want to buy these products from someone else.  I > HAVE BEEN THERE…MY STORY ISN’T A LIE, NOR IS IT HYPED.  I’ll be happy to > send anyone a copy of my x-rays.  If you don’t want to try something, then > don’t, but also don’t jump to conclusions about someone’s sincerity.  I > know > what OA sufferers go through…I’ve cried through the pain, the depression > and the feeling of powerlessness.  So don’t you dare to presume what my > intentions are.  It’s people like you that make it possible for the drug > companies to keep their stranglehold on us. > If you really cared about this group and people sufferering from OA, you’d > check it out first before immediately becoming critical.  Your attitude > and > response lead me to this question, "WHO DO YOU WORK FOR?" > Ronald A. Pagano, JD

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Rosemarie: You’re right, your voice IS "loud and clear."  The unfortunate thing is that you’re so caught up in your own misery and self-pity that you have no idea what you’re talking about.  You’re close-minded, mean-spirited, clearly without any degree of understanding or caring and intent upon putting down anyone who wants to share honest information in a way that utilizes integrity and honesty. If I wanted to SPAM, why didn’t I just name the company and give you the website?  I’m sure 1/2 dozen or more would have checked it out.  But that’s not how I did it, right?  I explained my position, knowing full well that I would open myself up to ignorant people.  But, the truth is that I don’t really care about the ignorant people, because they are too self-pitying to deserve my caring.  If you were truly concerned, you would check out what I say, investigate it, then expose me for the liar or truthteller that I am. No, you just want to crucify before trial and keep yourself in the spotlight.  I hope you enjoy life a little more than that Rosemarie. Unlike your wish upon me that I have a "cruddy" day (is that the scientific or lay term?), I truly wish for you to have a wonderful, pain-free day, and to enjoy all that life has to offer. Ronald A. Pagano, JD I don’t. I don’t work for anyone. I used to, but I don’t now. I suppose I just need to be told what my problem is….and what I  have no idea about. I also suppose if I had an earned Juris Doctorate I could practice law from a wheelchair instead of posting to help my spouse SPAM. Because my mind still works fine…my voice is loud and clear, and I could reponsibly practice law. I ’spose THAT’S what my problem is…like I needed YOU to say??? Kindly take a long, long stroll offa short pier. Do please take yer wife’s SPAM with you. Have a cruddy day. Rosie Shiver — "If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself." — Meat Loaf, Bat Outta Hell II – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You guys are too much…just because my wife signed up as a distributor > doesn’t mean this is a sales job.  You’ll be happy to know (or maybe not, > since it destroys your cynicism) that my e-mail address > my estate planning practice.  As a cute corresponding e-mail, my wife came > Your problem is you think everyone is out to rip you off.  You obviously > didn’t read my entire e-mail that explained right up front my and my wife’s > position and THAT’S why I didn’t include the company or product name.  I > could have just put out the website and said check it out, but I didn’t. We > truly don’t care if you want to buy these products from someone else.  I > HAVE BEEN THERE…MY STORY ISN’T A LIE, NOR IS IT HYPED.  I’ll be happy to > send anyone a copy of my x-rays.  If you don’t want to try something, then > don’t, but also don’t jump to conclusions about someone’s sincerity.  I know > what OA sufferers go through…I’ve cried through the pain, the depression > and the feeling of powerlessness.  So don’t you dare to presume what my > intentions are.  It’s people like you that make it possible for the drug > companies to keep their stranglehold on us. > If you really cared about this group and people sufferering from OA, you’d > check it out first before immediately becoming critical.  Your attitude and > response lead me to this question, "WHO DO YOU WORK FOR?" > Ronald A. Pagano, JD

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