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>  I will say it again,  no two manic depressives have anything in common.

(unless they are related) That flies in the face of common sense. Also flies in the face of most research. Still – you could be right, who knows? If I get a reasonable number of responses to the surveys –  it may support you. You’ll be happy to know it doesn’t look like I AM going to get a reasonable number of responses. On the other hand, I can be awfully persistent. >What did you eat for breakfast  and at what time,  did you hurry or take >time to enjoy?

Let’s see 8:00 am – Fruit and Fiber cereal with 1% milk. And instant coffee with milk and sugar. A leisurely breakfast spent flipping through the paper and debating whether to go into the office or work at home today. It would have been very peaceful if it weren’t for my neighbor and his chainsaw raising all hell next door. I resisted going over to have words with him. He did, after all, have a chainsaw.

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I remember the day my doctor gave me the standard MD lie.   You are now a member of a select group of great and famous people  bla  bla  bla,,, I did not beleive it then and for sure not now.  The doctor then told me the names of all the famous people his doctor friends treat,  I should have called Tony Orlandos agent.  He even told me all about Fidel Castros childhood problems.  I was too high to pay much attention. MD is just a word,  I prefer to say  so and so has "issues."  same diff.  I would tell you about my first breakdown offline if you tell me why you want to know.  I do not like to talk about the past it is upsetting,   I would do it only if I thought  the act of reliving a trauma is somehow theraputic to me now,,  I doubt if it is and may in fact be damaging. I talk to very few people here,  I am not convinced everybody is actually interested in recovery.   I had a doctor tell me a few mos ago that   1. people use depression to control and manipulate their loved ones and 2. Depression is the result of living a lie.   He then told me he has bad depression and he is dating a depressed girl,  I have no reason to doubt his words.  He is a great guy I should write him a letter let him know how I am. Hey I talk too much,  Last year at this time I ate no animal products and low fat.  My body was in the best shape ever but my brain conked out. My next door did the same thing last year and my accross the street cut down two very nice trees for no reason.  I didn’t do squat about it.  I was mad they destroyed the trees but the sound of the chainsaws is cool.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->  I will say it again,  no two manic depressives have anything in common. >(unless they are related) >That flies in the face of common sense. Also flies in the face of most >research. >Still – you could be right, who knows? If I get a reasonable number of >responses to the surveys –  it may support you. >You’ll be happy to know it doesn’t look like I AM going to get a reasonable >number of responses. On the other hand, I can be awfully persistent. >What did you eat for breakfast  and at what time,  did you hurry or take >time to enjoy? >Let’s see 8:00 am – Fruit and Fiber cereal with 1% milk. And instant coffee >with milk and sugar. A leisurely breakfast spent flipping through the paper and >debating whether to go into the office or work at home today. It would have >been very peaceful if it weren’t for my neighbor and his chainsaw raising all >hell next door. I resisted going over to have words with him. >He did, after all, have a chainsaw.

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1/ i wanted to kill my dad, 12 years old – i was angry, and irritated beyond belief 2/30 years old 3/12 years old

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> All right, since people were either 1) annoyed or 2) overwhelmed at the length > of the first survey I wrote  - not a big shock to me – I’m breaking it up into > little baby surveys. > The first topic is the onset of bipolar disorder. > 1. What were your earliest symptoms (and when)? > 2. When/what age was your first major depression? > 3. When/what age was your first hypomania and/or mania? > (My goal here is to compile answers as I get them – and then report them to the > group systematically when I’ve gotten a decent number of responses. > If you want to send me the answers privately by e-mail, go ahead and I’ll > compile them anonymously. > If anyone has other suggestions for questions, let me know. ) > Meg

1a) My earliest symptom was when I woke up in the emergency room with a garden hose shoved down my throat while a nurse pumped out an overdose of Quaaludes. 1b) It was shortly after the Dobey Bros. broke up. 2a) See 1a. 2b) 16 3a) When I didn’t sleep for six months 3b) 17

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Hemp cereal with soybean milk,  amino acid mix.  about 10 of the 70 vits I use on rotation. What did you eat for breakfast  and at what time,  did you hurry or take time to enjoy? We can fight about your false theory if you wish.  Where did it come from? it sounds foolish and unproductive to me,   I will say it again,  no two manic depressives have anything in common. (unless they are related) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->And I absolutely positively disagree with you that there are no patterns in >manic-depression. >***

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>The need to take on a task, such as this survey, may indicate the onset of >mania – but if we are lucky it is only a hypomania and the work will get >done,

Sort of uncalled for. >we will be fed the results and then we can all see that although we >are individual we all have (I almost said share) two eyes, two nostrils, two >ears (except Vincent) and all the etceteras that make us so similar as to >raise our perkiness.

I didn’t ask about eyes, ears – or nostrils for that matter. You think I should?

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The need to take on a task, such as this survey, may indicate the onset of mania – but if we are lucky it is only a hypomania and the work will get done, we will be fed the results and then we can all see that although we are individual we all have (I almost said share) two eyes, two nostrils, two ears (except Vincent) and all the etceteras that make us so similar as to raise our perkiness. — Isabel 90% of being smart  is knowing what  you’re dumb at

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The survey is a waste of time,  if you are looking for an MD profile or a > pattern you will not find one.  No two MDs are alike > Why do you feel a need to gather such information? > The folks in this group,  and I think I can speak for everybody,   will > accept you as a person.   no matter what. > Its understood everybody here,  except the occasional fake,  has a history > of severe mental illness,  most of the regulars here are in a state of full > recovery,  a few backslides now and again. > You could add this question to your survey its the only important one I can > think of. > 4, When/What did you eat for breakfast? > Do you wish to know anything else?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->All right, since people were either 1) annoyed or 2) overwhelmed at the > length >of the first survey I wrote  - not a big shock to me – I’m breaking it up > into >little baby surveys. >The first topic is the onset of bipolar disorder. >1. What were your earliest symptoms (and when)? >2. When/what age was your first major depression? >3. When/what age was your first hypomania and/or mania? >(My goal here is to compile answers as I get them – and then report them to > the >group systematically when I’ve gotten a decent number of responses. >If you want to send me the answers privately by e-mail, go ahead and I’ll >compile them anonymously. >If anyone has other suggestions for questions, let me know. ) >Meg

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All right, since people were either 1) annoyed or 2) overwhelmed at the length of the first survey I wrote  - not a big shock to me – I’m breaking it up into little baby surveys. The first topic is the onset of bipolar disorder. 1. What were your earliest symptoms (and when)? 2. When/what age was your first major depression? 3. When/what age was your first hypomania and/or mania? (My goal here is to compile answers as I get them – and then report them to the group systematically when I’ve gotten a decent number of responses.   If you want to send me the answers privately by e-mail, go ahead and I’ll compile them anonymously. If anyone has other suggestions for questions, let me know. ) Meg

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > All right, since people were either 1) annoyed or 2) overwhelmed at the length > of the first survey I wrote  - not a big shock to me – I’m breaking it up into > little baby surveys. > The first topic is the onset of bipolar disorder. > 1. What were your earliest symptoms (and when)? > 2. When/what age was your first major depression? > 3. When/what age was your first hypomania and/or mania? > (My goal here is to compile answers as I get them – and then report them to the > group systematically when I’ve gotten a decent number of responses.   > If you want to send me the answers privately by e-mail, go ahead and I’ll > compile them anonymously. > If anyone has other suggestions for questions, let me know. ) > Meg

1a) My earliest symptom was when I woke up in the emergency room with a garden hose shoved down my throat while a nurse pumped out an overdose of Quaaludes. 1b) It was shortly after the Dobey Bros. broke up. 2a) See 1a. 2b) 16 3a) When I didn’t sleep for six months 3b) 17

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Here are my answers: > The first topic is the onset of bipolar

disorder. > 1. What were your earliest symptoms (and when)?

At 11 years old – major depression followed by dysthymia and social anxiety. > 2. When/what age was your first major

depression? 11 years > 3. When/what age was your first hypomania

and/or mania? There may have been a few mild hypomanic episodes in my teens – but at 20 years old I had a clear episode lasting six months – which was either severe hypomania or mild mania. Meg Before you buy.

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>1. What were your earliest symptoms (and when)?

Isolation, when I was a very young man. >2. When/what age was your first major depression?

1998, at age 37 >3. When/what age was your first hypomania and/or mania?

When I was very young and got in a schoolyard fight. Web Page at: http://www.robertpo.com

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The survey is a waste of time,  if you are looking for an MD profile or a pattern you will not find one.  No two MDs are alike Why do you feel a need to gather such information? The folks in this group,  and I think I can speak for everybody,   will accept you as a person.   no matter what. Its understood everybody here,  except the occasional fake,  has a history of severe mental illness,  most of the regulars here are in a state of full recovery,  a few backslides now and again. You could add this question to your survey its the only important one I can think of. 4, When/What did you eat for breakfast? Do you wish to know anything else? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >All right, since people were either 1) annoyed or 2) overwhelmed at the length >of the first survey I wrote  - not a big shock to me – I’m breaking it up into >little baby surveys. >The first topic is the onset of bipolar disorder. >1. What were your earliest symptoms (and when)? >2. When/what age was your first major depression? >3. When/what age was your first hypomania and/or mania? >(My goal here is to compile answers as I get them – and then report them to the >group systematically when I’ve gotten a decent number of responses. >If you want to send me the answers privately by e-mail, go ahead and I’ll >compile them anonymously. >If anyone has other suggestions for questions, let me know. ) >Meg

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One use – the best use – of Usenet is to find support, and a sense of community. But there ARE other ways we can use it. Organizations like MDDA are primarily for support and education, but they also survey their members regularly. Why? because they have the opportunity. Usenet is no different – use the opportunity if it’s there. Maybe we won’t get any useful information. Maybe it will be only interesting. Maybe not even that. But I’m not convinced that it’s a waste of time – certainly no more a waste of time than posting to Usenet. And you know, what you say about the group convinces me that a survey could be useful. You assume a whole lot – I’ve read as many posts as you, probably, but I’m not sure that everyone here has had severe mental illness. I think people have wide variations in severity. And though you see that "most people are in a state of  recovery," I don’t think that’s clear at all – I think a lot of people have not just "backslides" but continuing day to day problems. And I absolutely positively disagree with you that there are no patterns in manic-depression. *** So, what did you eat for breakfast? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->The survey is a waste of time,  if you are looking for an MD profile or a >pattern you will not find one.  No two MDs are alike >Why do you feel a need to gather such information? >The folks in this group,  and I think I can speak for everybody,   will >accept you as a person.   no matter what. >Its understood everybody here,  except the occasional fake,  has a history >of severe mental illness,  most of the regulars here are in a state of full >recovery,  a few backslides now and again. >You could add this question to your survey its the only important one I can >think of. >4, When/What did you eat for breakfast? >Do you wish to know anything else?

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