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You know, I hate Yves, I support Jack, and am faxing the Easyspace admin (though I think Jack should move his site to a better-administrated one) and I wish Yves would just stop claiming to represent the desires of this newsgrou. All that said; let’s lay off any smarmy comments about his medical condition (Because that is what this kind of illness really is, a chemical imbalance in the brain; treatable with appropriate medication.) Julie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I do suffer from depression. I used to take Effexor (venlafaxine); now I > take Paxil (sorry, I forget the scientific name). > In my experience, depression is seen as a "shameful" disease. People > would rather admit that they suffer from AIDS than depression. Well, I > suffer from depression. I’m neither proud nor ashamed; that’s just the > way it is. > I have no idea why you say that Effexor and Paxil are "pretty nasty > anti-depressant stuff". If someone took insulin, would you call that > "pretty nasty anti-diabetes stuff"? > If you feel that you need enlightening on the subject of depression, > please see soc.support.depression.treatment. > — > Francais / English / Esperanto > Fight Spam! Join CAUCE cost-free: http://www.cauce.org/

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Yves You really do twist and turn. Easyspace were led by your signature (which I see you have cut out of my posting) as ‘rec.travel.europe FAQ Maintainer’. I use different signatures for different places, but I post them where they are based. At no time have you posted here with a signature that you are ‘rec.travel.europe FAQ Maintainer’, and patently obvious why, you would have been shot down in flames! I was very persistent with Easyspace, I sent three faxes, two e-mails, and submitted two web response forms. They do seem impressed by signatures, and as I am a paid advisor for Expedia Travel, they were happy to deal with me. I also firmly believe I am a fair person. Easyspace only agreed you were correct because of the FAQ which you altered, and said that you were responsible for enforcing. A light-hearted scenario for you; How about I publish an FAQ and say in it that Yves Bellefeuille is banned from the newsgroup for anti-social behaviour. Then next time you post here, I write to Storm, and say that I am the FAQ Maintainer? Fair or not? I haven’t finished with Easyspace by a long way, and will continue to liase with them concerning Jack. Should they make a mistake again, Jack won’t be hosting with them anyway, and let’s see how you get on dealing with the hosting company that hosts Barclays Bank, Gillette, Barclaycard, The Guardian, News International, Guardian Direct, Bank of Scotland, Virgin Group, and the Financial Times. I also haven’t finished with this FAQ Maintainer thing, but I need to do some homework first. I am supposed to be running a hotel, and what happened to helping people on this Newsgroup with travel queries? All put on hold to deal with you! Finally, you said that Easyspace agreed "it is inappropriate to post frequent lengthy extracts", but that was only because you told them it was. They won’t agree with you by the time I have finished with them. — Andrew Taylor. Expedia Travel. Assistant Community Manager http://expedia.msn.com      Crumplehorn Inn – Polperro http://www.crumplehorn-inn.co.uk          A nice place to stay ~

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jack has both posted extracts from his WWW site in rec.travel.europe and > posted additions to his site in the newsgroup. > I’d like to add the following bit, which is the most important part as > far as I’m concerned: > Although it is certainly permitted to refer to one’s own web site if it > is on-topic, I believe it is inappropriate to post frequent lengthy > extracts in this manner. > Also, the message was actually sent to skynet, with a copy to easyspace. > Did easyspace really forward a copy to you but not to Jack himself? > Since easyspace apparently agrees that "it is inappropriate to post > frequent lengthy extracts" from a WWW page in a newsgroup, I hope that > Jack will draw the appropriate conclusions. My opinion is irrelevant, as > is the opinion of Jack or of anyone else who reads rec.travel.europe, > but users should definitely pay attention to what their system > administrators think. > — > Francais / English / Esperanto > Fight Spam! Join CAUCE cost-free: http://www.cauce.org/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Bullshit, you’ve been spamming system adminsitrators long enough to know > that there are more than a few who don’t know what’s up and will listen to > the first complaint.  In fact Easyspace assumes your FAQ is an official > document.  Isn’t that why you’ve taken on the position?  To make yourself > look like someone in authority.  You know the loopholes, you know what > buttons to push and you know that if you scream fire often enough, someone > will run.  But guess what, anyone can quote from Jacks webiste which is till > up and running at one location and several people are willing to both host > Jack’s site and post excerpts to this newsgroup on a regular basis.  You’re > a nasty little weasel. > From where I stand it appears that people want this sort of information > posted to this newsgroup.

I certainly do. I like to catch an article here now & then, particularly a newer one, as I often don’t have time to work my way through the website to find it. Ironically, then, at least in my case, by posting some of his stuff here, Jack is decreasing rather than increasing the number of hits he gets on the website – hardly a profiteering tactic!   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — >     <http://www.worldtable.com> Food/Wine/Travel >                      - >        I link to Jacks’ site on my home page.

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> You know, I hate Yves, I support Jack, and am faxing the Easyspace admin > (though I think Jack should move his site to a better-administrated one) > and I wish Yves would just stop claiming to represent the desires of > this newsgrou. > All that said; let’s lay off any smarmy comments about his medical condition > (Because that is what this kind of illness really is, a chemical imbalance > in the brain; treatable with appropriate medication.) > Julie

I quite agree on all counts, except that Yves never claimed to represent the *desires*  of this newsgroup, but rather the Rules, as he himself defined them, or perhaps Usenet holy writ.

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> > You know, I hate Yves, I support Jack, and am faxing the Easyspace > admin (though I think Jack should move his site to a better- > administrated one) and I wish Yves would just stop claiming to > represent the desires of this newsgrou. > I quite agree on all counts, except that Yves never claimed to > represent the *desires*  of this newsgroup, but rather the Rules, as > he himself defined them, or perhaps Usenet holy writ.

He has refered to the group’s charter, which we could change, and he has taken the role of FAQ maintainer, which someone else could do. We are not powerless here and doing something constructive like changing the charter could help to stop this kind of harrassment. Does anyone want to maintain the FAQ in Yves’s place? — Guy Robinson www.legendary.freeserve.co.uk [all standard disclaimers apply] Before you buy.

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>I think where we are all making a mistake is in assuming that YB is  a >"normal" >person!  Obviously, he has a real problem – a sort of messianic complex, >perhaps?

I’ll leave the definition of his complexes to the doctors, but > >Yves Bellefeuille > >FAQ Maintainer, rec.travel.europe

Is certainly a problem, if not the single biggest problem, in rec.travel.europe. —     <www.worldtable.com> Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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>You know, I hate Yves, I support Jack, and am faxing the Easyspace admin >(though I think Jack should move his site to a better-administrated one) >and I wish Yves would just stop claiming to represent the desires of >this newsgrou.

Worse than pretending to represent the desires of the group, he pretends to represent what’s allowable and what’s not.  He pretends to be the ruler more than he pretends to represent the rules. >All that said; let’s lay off any smarmy comments about his medical condition >(Because that is what this kind of illness really is, a chemical imbalance >in the brain; treatable with appropriate medication.)

It’s the low blows and underhanded attacks by Yves that started this.  The smarmy comments should be eliminated, but it’s more than remotely possible that one’s mental condition is reflected in one’s actions and thus the subject is  valid.  I don’t hate Yves so much as I hate what he is attempting to do in this group and what he’s already accomplished in terms of Jack’s DNS.  This is simply unacceptable to me and my mental state is clearly open to scrutiny on the subject of harassment and underhanded attacks.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Julie > I do suffer from depression. I used to take Effexor (venlafaxine); now I > take Paxil (sorry, I forget the scientific name). > In my experience, depression is seen as a "shameful" disease. People > would rather admit that they suffer from AIDS than depression. Well, I > suffer from depression. I’m neither proud nor ashamed; that’s just the > way it is. > I have no idea why you say that Effexor and Paxil are "pretty nasty > anti-depressant stuff". If someone took insulin, would you call that > "pretty nasty anti-diabetes stuff"? > If you feel that you need enlightening on the subject of depression, > please see soc.support.depression.treatment. > — > Francais / English / Esperanto > Fight Spam! Join CAUCE cost-free: http://www.cauce.org/

–     <www.worldtable.com> Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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If anyone is interested in pursuing newsgroup maintenance stuff, ie. the FAQ, charter, and other items, please email me privately. These discussions may include the benefits of a moderated group. This is not an RFD. It would therefore be improper to crosspost any reply to news.groups. — Phil

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> > While all sorts of terrible accusations (going way beyond the facts > of the current matter) obviously don’t make sense, if you look at > his posting history, at some point he open admits he has been > taking pretty nasty antidepressant stuff. > I do suffer from depression. [...] > In my experience, depression is seen as a "shameful" disease. [...] > Well, I suffer from depression. I’m neither proud nor ashamed; that’s > just the way it is.

If you are telling the truth, Yves, you are not the only person to have suffered from depression.  I’ve suffered from depressive periods myself and it is not very pleasant nor is the medicine, to be honest, but recovering from clinical depression is worth the time and effort. However you have been digging a hole for yourself here recently and I sincerely hope that these attacks on Jack are not attempts by you to build up your self-esteem.  I recommend you find time to recover your perspective and do things that you enjoy instead. If you sincerely enjoy attacking people and having their accounts and services withdrawn do not expect people here to be sympathetic. — Guy Robinson www.legendary.freeserve.co.uk [all standard disclaimers apply] Before you buy.

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Hi Robert just to add, that if Jack gets anymore grief from Easyspace, I will donate Jack a years hosting with Netbenefit who host my site. They are very professional, and are not easily intimidated. — Andrew Taylor. Expedia Travel. Assistant Community Manager http://expedia.msn.com      Crumplehorn Inn – Polperro http://www.crumplehorn-inn.co.uk          A nice place to stay ~

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Bullshit, you’ve been spamming system adminsitrators long enough to know > that there are more than a few who don’t know what’s up and will listen to > the first complaint.  In fact Easyspace assumes your FAQ is an official > document.  Isn’t that why you’ve taken on the position?  To make yourself > look like someone in authority.  You know the loopholes, you know what > buttons to push and you know that if you scream fire often enough, someone > will run.  But guess what, anyone can quote from Jacks webiste which is till > up and running at one location and several people are willing to both host > Jack’s site and post excerpts to this newsgroup on a regular basis. You’re > a nasty little weasel. > From where I stand it appears that people want this sort of information > posted to this newsgroup. > — >     <http://www.worldtable.com> Food/Wine/Travel >                      - >        I link to Jacks’ site on my home page.

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Yves Would you like me to post all the evidence and all the headers? — Andrew Taylor. Expedia Travel. Assistant Community Manager http://expedia.msn.com      Crumplehorn Inn – Polperro http://www.crumplehorn-inn.co.uk          A nice place to stay ~

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The message I sent had complete references to headers, Message-IDs and > URLs, so the ISP could verify everything. Furthermore, I’m sure that > Jack would inform his ISP if there was anything inaccurate or > misleading. > — > Francais / English / Esperanto > Fight Spam! Join CAUCE cost-free: http://www.cauce.org/

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>On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, "Andrew Taylor" > As I understand it Jack’s posts here are updates and additions to his > website, not posting extracts *from* the website >Jack has both posted extracts from his WWW site in rec.travel.europe and >posted additions to his site in the newsgroup.

It might be better to see it as Jack assembling the content of his posts in a website. This is exactly how I perceived it before all this brouhaha broke out. > Although it is certainly permitted to refer to one’s own web site if it > is on-topic, I believe it is inappropriate to post frequent lengthy > extracts in this manner.

Do you? Others do not. >… My opinion is irrelevant, as >is the opinion of Jack or of anyone else who reads rec.travel.europe, >but users should definitely pay attention to what their system >administrators think.

System administrators can be misled. I have a clear impression that easyspace have been misled in this case. Your arrogation to yourself of the role of FAQ Maintainer, and the use of the "title" in support of your complaint indicates to me that you are not a nice person, nor do you play fair. Why are you conducting this campaign? What’s in it for you? PB

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> I think where we are all making a mistake is in assuming that YB is  a "normal" > person!  Obviously, he has a real problem – a sort of messianic complex, perhaps?

I suspect you are probably right in that we are dealing with people who are not terribly balanced and for whom the name of the game is dealing with their own emotions. While all sorts of terrible accusations (going way beyond the facts of the current matter) obviously don’t make sense, if you look at his posting history, at some point he open admits he has been taking pretty nasty antidepressant stuff.   At the end of the day, we are probably dealing with one of these pretty insecure kids who turn into a tiger behind the keyboard.  He is after his hour of glory on the Usenet; he gets on a campaign against spam which is actually all right as far as his emotions don’t get in the picture.  But then he gets jaleous of Jack and things get out of hand, starting with his own judgement.  Hence these unreal accusations etc. The rest of the story, we know.

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> While all sorts of terrible accusations (going way beyond the facts of > the current matter) obviously don’t make sense, if you look at his > posting history, at some point he open admits he has been taking pretty > nasty antidepressant stuff.  

I do suffer from depression. I used to take Effexor (venlafaxine); now I take Paxil (sorry, I forget the scientific name). In my experience, depression is seen as a "shameful" disease. People would rather admit that they suffer from AIDS than depression. Well, I suffer from depression. I’m neither proud nor ashamed; that’s just the way it is. I have no idea why you say that Effexor and Paxil are "pretty nasty anti-depressant stuff". If someone took insulin, would you call that "pretty nasty anti-diabetes stuff"? If you feel that you need enlightening on the subject of depression, please see soc.support.depression.treatment. — Francais / English / Esperanto Fight Spam! Join CAUCE cost-free: http://www.cauce.org/

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>You told them you are the admisitrator of the faq and that it is your >complaint upon which they acted.

That is the key issue. It needs to be emphasised by and to anyone taking part in this debate that Beautiful Leaf is the "Self Styled and Self Appointed Administrator of the Unofficial FAQ". Perhaps Yves himself would change his by-line to that? Otherwise other ISPs and casual observers may be impressed with his "Official Position". That is much more important that what medication he takes. — Michael Forrest

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Jack, I’m sorry to say you’ve made a couple of mistakes.  First and foremost was the absolutely naive assumption that Yves bore any resemblance to a normal person.   In spite of all Yves’ rhetoric, there’s no indication that Esayspace checked anything, but that it relied solely on Yves’ word as the FAQ man of the group. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->OK, at last we have a definitive response from Easyspace. Jack’s website was >closed following a complaint from the rec.travel.europe FAQ Maintainer, Yves >Bellfeuille for posting too frequently, and including the URL of his >website. >As I understand it Jack’s posts here are updates and additions to his >website, not posting extracts *from* the website. Jack can get access to his >website back if he won’t do it again. There are lots of issues here, and >note I am just the messenger. >I don’t post lenghty extracts from my existing web site. The issue is >falsified like usual. I first write the essay, travel essay for a >travel newsgroup, on topic. Then i update it on my web site a day or >two later, or even sometimes the same day but after the posting. >It happened, very rarely in the past that I reminded a post or >recommendations to my readers on the NG. Big error! YB was waiting in >the dark, to nail the criminal jack.   >After YB complained a second time to my ISP I started to put dates on >my posts and the updates of the same essay in my web site to prove >thye were in the LEGAL order. You can check the latest ones easily. I >didn’t do that before because who could ever guess that a normal >person would play dirty tricks like that. >—–Original Message—– >Sent: Tuesday 26 september 2000 12:26 >www.jack-travel.com – Web Redirection) >Below is the complaint we have received. >If we can be guaranteed that this situation will not occur again , and you >will comply with our regulations below the account will be re-activated. >Regards >Philippa >Easyspace Ltd >X-Mailer: Forte Free Agent 1.21/16.243 >Hello: >Usenet group rec.travel.europe. I have written to you about this user in >the past. ><evidence snipped, but the next bit is important> >Regards, >Yves Bellefeuille >FAQ Maintainer, rec.travel.europe

–     <www.worldtable.com> Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Although it is certainly permitted to refer to one’s own web site if it > > is on-topic, I believe it is inappropriate to post frequent lengthy > > extracts in this manner. > Do you? Others do not. >I do believe that it’s inappropriate to post frequent lengthy extracts >from one’s WWW site in a Usenet newsgroup. However, my opinion is >irrelevant; what matters is whether the system administrator believes >that it’s inappropriate. The sysadmin at jack-travel.com apparently >does, and that settles the matter as far as that domain is concerned. > System administrators can be misled. I have a clear impression that > easyspace have been misled in this case. >ISPs always verify a complait before acting upon it, not only in case >the complaint is false, but because many spammers and net abusers try to >falsify their address or "headers" so that people will complain to the >wrong domain.

You told them you are the admisitrator of the faq and that it is your complaint upon which they acted.  You found a very unprofessional outfit who was easily intimidated.  You have no way of proving ISPs do anything all of the time.  You’ve been taking shots at Jack and as the law of averages would have it, you’ve scored a hit because he used a cheap and unprofessional ISP who could be bullied into believing you had some authority.  No one has ever said you weren’t clever.   >The message I sent had complete references to headers, Message-IDs and >URLs, so the ISP could verify everything. Furthermore, I’m sure that >Jack would inform his ISP if there was anything inaccurate or >misleading.

There is nothing in Esayspace’s regulations or terms that in any way prohibited Jack from posting as he does, except for one line that requires posters to adhere to the group’s faq and since you administer the faq, they trusted you.  It’s cheap shot and we all know you’re the villain.  Indeed, Yves Bellefeuille is the enemy of the rec.travel.newsgroup. —     <www.worldtable.com> Food/Wine/Travel                      - new offer for car rental and leasing in Europe              posted 21 June 2000

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I think where we are all making a mistake is in assuming that YB is  a "normal" person!  Obviously, he has a real problem – a sort of messianic complex, perhaps? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > After YB complained a second time to my ISP I started to put dates on > my posts and the updates of the same essay in my web site to prove > thye were in the LEGAL order. You can check the latest ones easily. I > didn’t do that before because who could ever guess that a normal > person would play dirty tricks like that. >—–Original Message—– >Sent: Tuesday 26 september 2000 12:26 >www.jack-travel.com – Web Redirection) >Below is the complaint we have received. >If we can be guaranteed that this situation will not occur again , and you >will comply with our regulations below the account will be re-activated. >Regards >Philippa >Easyspace Ltd >X-Mailer: Forte Free Agent 1.21/16.243 >Hello: >Usenet group rec.travel.europe. I have written to you about this user in >the past. ><evidence snipped, but the next bit is important> >Regards, >Yves Bellefeuille >FAQ Maintainer, rec.travel.europe

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Now I KNOW why rec.music.opera refuses to establish an "official" FAQ!  (So new people ask the same questions again and again, so what?  -  Sometimes the new replies add to what has already been said, and it keeps any of the "flame wars" there from escalating to formal complaints from self-styled "FAQ Maintainers"!) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > OK, at last we have a definitive response from Easyspace. Jack’s website was > closed following a complaint from the rec.travel.europe FAQ Maintainer, Yves > Bellfeuille for posting too frequently, and including the URL of his > website. > As I understand it Jack’s posts here are updates and additions to his > website, not posting extracts *from* the website. Jack can get access to his > website back if he won’t do it again. There are lots of issues here, and > note I am just the messenger. > —–Original Message—– > Sent: Tuesday 26 september 2000 12:26 > www.jack-travel.com – Web Redirection) > Below is the complaint we have received. > If we can be guaranteed that this situation will not occur again , and you > will comply with our regulations below the account will be re-activated. > Regards > Philippa > Easyspace Ltd > X-Mailer: Forte Free Agent 1.21/16.243 > Hello: > Usenet group rec.travel.europe. I have written to you about this user in > the past. > <evidence snipped, but the next bit is important> > Regards, > Yves Bellefeuille > FAQ Maintainer, rec.travel.europe

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> > Although it is certainly permitted to refer to one’s own web site if it > is on-topic, I believe it is inappropriate to post frequent lengthy > extracts in this manner. > Do you? Others do not.

I do believe that it’s inappropriate to post frequent lengthy extracts from one’s WWW site in a Usenet newsgroup. However, my opinion is irrelevant; what matters is whether the system administrator believes that it’s inappropriate. The sysadmin at jack-travel.com apparently does, and that settles the matter as far as that domain is concerned. > System administrators can be misled. I have a clear impression that > easyspace have been misled in this case.

ISPs always verify a complait before acting upon it, not only in case the complaint is false, but because many spammers and net abusers try to falsify their address or "headers" so that people will complain to the wrong domain. The message I sent had complete references to headers, Message-IDs and URLs, so the ISP could verify everything. Furthermore, I’m sure that Jack would inform his ISP if there was anything inaccurate or misleading. — Francais / English / Esperanto Fight Spam! Join CAUCE cost-free: http://www.cauce.org/

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 (snip > Since easyspace apparently agrees that "it is inappropriate to post > frequent lengthy extracts" from a WWW page in a newsgroup, I hope that > Jack will draw the appropriate conclusions. My opinion is irrelevant, as > is the opinion of Jack or of anyone else who reads rec.travel.europe, > but users should definitely pay attention to what their system > administrators think.

Easyspace apparently agrees? Easyspace apparently was taken in by your stacked deck. How completely disingenuous to proclaim that your "opinion is irrelevant." You are the one who lodged the complaint, based on your opinion. Or did you merely act in your capacity as Priest of Usenet, forwarding revealed truths to those who "ought" (in your *opinion*) to know them? Such smarmy weaseling. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — > Francais / English / Esperanto > Fight Spam! Join CAUCE cost-free: http://www.cauce.org/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, "Andrew Taylor" > As I understand it Jack’s posts here are updates and additions to his > website, not posting extracts *from* the website >Jack has both posted extracts from his WWW site in rec.travel.europe and >posted additions to his site in the newsgroup. > Usenet group rec.travel.europe. I have written to you about this user in > the past. > <evidence snipped, but the next bit is important> >I’d like to add the following bit, which is the most important part as >far as I’m concerned: > Although it is certainly permitted to refer to one’s own web site if it > is on-topic, I believe it is inappropriate to post frequent lengthy > extracts in this manner. >Also, the message was actually sent to skynet, with a copy to easyspace. >Did easyspace really forward a copy to you but not to Jack himself? >Since easyspace apparently agrees that "it is inappropriate to post >frequent lengthy extracts" from a WWW page in a newsgroup, I hope that >Jack will draw the appropriate conclusions. My opinion is irrelevant, as >is the opinion of Jack or of anyone else who reads rec.travel.europe, >but users should definitely pay attention to what their system >administrators think.

Bullshit, you’ve been spamming system adminsitrators long enough to know that there are more than a few who don’t know what’s up and will listen to the first complaint.  In fact Easyspace assumes your FAQ is an official document.  Isn’t that why you’ve taken on the position?  To make yourself look like someone in authority.  You know the loopholes, you know what buttons to push and you know that if you scream fire often enough, someone will run.  But guess what, anyone can quote from Jacks webiste which is till up and running at one location and several people are willing to both host Jack’s site and post excerpts to this newsgroup on a regular basis.  You’re a nasty little weasel.   From where I stand it appears that people want this sort of information posted to this newsgroup. —     <http://www.worldtable.com> Food/Wine/Travel                      -        I link to Jacks’ site on my home page.

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OK, at last we have a definitive response from Easyspace. Jack’s website was closed following a complaint from the rec.travel.europe FAQ Maintainer, Yves Bellfeuille for posting too frequently, and including the URL of his website. As I understand it Jack’s posts here are updates and additions to his website, not posting extracts *from* the website. Jack can get access to his website back if he won’t do it again. There are lots of issues here, and note I am just the messenger. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ——Original Message—– Sent: Tuesday 26 september 2000 12:26 www.jack-travel.com – Web Redirection) Below is the complaint we have received. If we can be guaranteed that this situation will not occur again , and you will comply with our regulations below the account will be re-activated. Regards Philippa Easyspace Ltd X-Mailer: Forte Free Agent 1.21/16.243 Hello: Usenet group rec.travel.europe. I have written to you about this user in the past. <evidence snipped, but the next bit is important> Regards, Yves Bellefeuille FAQ Maintainer, rec.travel.europe

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On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, "Andrew Taylor" > As I understand it Jack’s posts here are updates and additions to his > website, not posting extracts *from* the website

Jack has both posted extracts from his WWW site in rec.travel.europe and posted additions to his site in the newsgroup. > Usenet group rec.travel.europe. I have written to you about this user in > the past. > <evidence snipped, but the next bit is important>

I’d like to add the following bit, which is the most important part as far as I’m concerned: > Although it is certainly permitted to refer to one’s own web site if it > is on-topic, I believe it is inappropriate to post frequent lengthy > extracts in this manner.

Also, the message was actually sent to skynet, with a copy to easyspace. Did easyspace really forward a copy to you but not to Jack himself? Since easyspace apparently agrees that "it is inappropriate to post frequent lengthy extracts" from a WWW page in a newsgroup, I hope that Jack will draw the appropriate conclusions. My opinion is irrelevant, as is the opinion of Jack or of anyone else who reads rec.travel.europe, but users should definitely pay attention to what their system administrators think. — Francais / English / Esperanto Fight Spam! Join CAUCE cost-free: http://www.cauce.org/

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>OK, at last we have a definitive response from Easyspace. Jack’s website was >closed following a complaint from the rec.travel.europe FAQ Maintainer, Yves >Bellfeuille for posting too frequently, and including the URL of his >website. >As I understand it Jack’s posts here are updates and additions to his >website, not posting extracts *from* the website. Jack can get access to his >website back if he won’t do it again. There are lots of issues here, and >note I am just the messenger.

I don’t post lenghty extracts from my existing web site. The issue is falsified like usual. I first write the essay, travel essay for a travel newsgroup, on topic. Then i update it on my web site a day or two later, or even sometimes the same day but after the posting. It happened, very rarely in the past that I reminded a post or recommendations to my readers on the NG. Big error! YB was waiting in the dark, to nail the criminal jack.   After YB complained a second time to my ISP I started to put dates on my posts and the updates of the same essay in my web site to prove thye were in the LEGAL order. You can check the latest ones easily. I didn’t do that before because who could ever guess that a normal person would play dirty tricks like that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->—–Original Message—– >Sent: Tuesday 26 september 2000 12:26 >www.jack-travel.com – Web Redirection) >Below is the complaint we have received. >If we can be guaranteed that this situation will not occur again , and you >will comply with our regulations below the account will be re-activated. >Regards >Philippa >Easyspace Ltd >X-Mailer: Forte Free Agent 1.21/16.243 >Hello: >Usenet group rec.travel.europe. I have written to you about this user in >the past. ><evidence snipped, but the next bit is important> >Regards, >Yves Bellefeuille >FAQ Maintainer, rec.travel.europe

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