Depression Recovery

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> Angel again > I can’t disagree with Steve’s assessment of me.

You COULD, but then you’d be so EMBARRASSSED! > I am a rightist and proud of it.

I could tell. Now get over your ugly childhood. > I do disagree with his idea that being poor entitles one to commit > crime.

I do too! The poor are victims who have the right to recover their goods by force, it’s not any KIND of a CRIME AT ALL!! >  No, being poor requires one to work hard and harder > to get out of it.

Why should THEY have to work hard now because they were robbed?? I think they should get a government grant to go kill their last landlord!! > I know they don’t.  And poor rural kids, of any color, don’t have the > opportunities my kids will have.  I didn’t have the opportunities and > education my kids will have. > Why do you think we worked hard to get out of the poor school district > and into a wealthier one?

Because you were a racist? > I’ve subbed in some of the inner city schools, and poor delta schools. > I’ve seen the kids come in and express the idea that "School is just > more white shit we don’t need."  These were, naturally, the kids that > live in detention because they don’t control themselves enough to sit > down, be quiet and keep the rude language out of their mouths. > (They don’t talk like that at church, so they _can_ control it)

You mean you believed they COULDN’T or that WE didn’t know that? We know it, we just LIKE little ignorant shit-white girls being called the names you so richly deserve!! >I’m with Steve here. It is not about black and white. > It’s about rich and poor. And there is a pretty good reason that blacks > commit more crimes. There are a good deal more poor blacks. > Actually the average welfare mom is white.

No, she’s POOR!! > Poverty is not an excuse for criminality.  Everyone was poor during the > Depression.

BULLSHIT!!:  Read ANYTHING about the Great Depression, that is the SINGLE MOST ERRONEOUS MODERN BELIEF about it!! People who had the land still had the land, they still had buildings, and they still milked their tenants as much as they could! They still could buy stuff by barter that the TRULY poor could only DREAM of!! They had a decent living while a small proportion has literally nothing!! And when the Congress called off that episode of the war against the poor the nation picked right up and PRESTO, PROSPERITY!! > The vast majority of blacks are law-abiding, even if they are poor.

Horsecrap, you racist shit. If we tell you they aren’t you score against the ethics of blacks, if we tell you they are THEY look stupid. >And if you think > that oppression of blacks ended with the Civil War, you are sorely mistaken. > Just look at death rows around the country to see what the economic and race > gap is like. > I don’t believe anyone is any more oppressed than they let themselves > be.

I’d LOVE for you to wake up black and still be as stupid as you are! You’d probably wake up pregnant at that rate! > Not in this country at any rate.  Not women, not blacks, not hispanics > or Jewish people. > (Gays, well there is the whole marriage thing…) If you can’t find a > subtle way to thwart those you consider your oppressors, you deserve > what you get.

Why does it have to be "subtle"? "Subtle" is also ineffectual!! > If you’re poor, and you commit a capital crime, you can expect a capital > sentence. > If you’re rich, you can afford a good mouthpiece to get you off. > Like I said, blacks are 15% of the population, yet make up 45% of the > prison population.

And among the poor the percentage in prison is IDENTICAL ACROSS ALL RACIAL LINES!! Ever looked at THOSE stats, dumb little white bitch? > Of course death row stats are going to be as skewed as the rest of them. > I support the death penalty for sheer recidivism prevention.

And of course, as is classic for you ignorant rightist shits, it doesn’t even work! > Why do you have "education" capitalized? > Because I mean "Education" as a whole not just an education, > not just some schooling. > There is _no_ excuse for anyone to get out of first grade without being > able to read and write.

You’re under the delusion that a kid who wasn’t even SHOWN a book or letters till he came to school can learn to read from an underpaid teacher with 40 students some of which are acting out horrible home abuse and are impulse schizy! >  My kids are coming out of the poorest school in > town.

Liar. Everybody I ever heard of thought their home town was the murder capital of the nation, too!! >  And West Memphis is NOT a wealthy town.  My daughter plans to > read 50 books this summer, and my just-out-of-kindergarten son wants to > read 20.

You might be "poor" sort of, but the ghetto is a different kind of poor. You’re poor because you got outcompeted a few percent by some charming bright white kids, they are poor because they couldn’t even SPELL compete!! > There is no excuse for anyone to be incapable of basic arithmetic > operations in 5th grade, > yet my husband gets 8th graders who can’t multiply.

You REALLY need to wake up black and stupid if you even THINK you’re in control of your destiny, you’re not! You’re congratulating yourself for being born into so lucky a life that you were handed all this stuff in the right order, not realizing where you;d be if you HADN’T been!! And it’s all because you don’t WANT to think that you’re not as well-off as you are because "somebody up there loves you"!! You’re making the mistake that people who win $20 at the lottery make when they spend it all on more LOSER tickets!! > > They’ve had 30 years of government help out of poverty.  Maybe it’s time > > to stand on > > their own two feet and become something other than victims. > > (And don’t even start the victim stuff.  You can play > > more-victimized-than-thou with a Celt, but you can’t win!) > What you really mean by this post is that black oppression gets more play > then Celtic oppression? I’m sorry for you. > No, I mean that if one acts in an inferior manner, > one must expect to be treated as an inferior.

You’re neglecting the role of history in the present. > And "Celt" is not a code word for "white racist."

Ooooh yes it is, I know enough of these clowns, and being Irish me-self on my mother’s side I was even invited to some of that crap! I got to hear what they thought before they asked me what *I* thought! > No more than "Norman" or "Saxon barbarian" as I affectionately call my > husband > is a code.  Of course, Aryan should never be used by anyone who isn’t > discussing Indo-european language roots.

Oh no, never. How stupid. > Down here the code word for white is "Christian."  Steve, if you’re > going to fling fewmets, at least tilt them at the proper windmill…

I piss on it as I sees it. > A bunch of girls started with me about "Well, school is just one more > way the whites give us grief.  They started with this and that.  And now > they make us go to school."

It’s true. And you’ll NEVER EVER win them over until you pay reparations to them to rebuild their fractured culture and they decide to teach the classes themselves! > I corrected them with "You grandparents and great-grandparents fought > for you to go to this school, you know that?

They THOUGHT they were fighting for that, then they found they were right back as second class people and forbidden to partake. >  Three hundred years? > Three hundred years is nothing.  Bah, the Romans were stomping on the > Irish before they moved to Africa and took Cleopatra. And it’s _still_ > an occupied country 2000 years later.  Now let’s hear you’re ‘I gotta go > to school and it’s oppressing me,’ complaint again?"

They weren’t just "honorably" invaded and taxed, deary, they could have handled that. They DID handle that periodically! They were stolen to another continent in a time before public ocean travel, stripped, raped repeatedly, beaten if they spoke their langauge or spoke to each other, and made to wear chains for 5 years before they were trusted not to run. THEN they found that even after they were unexpectedly freed they were treated like we treated the Indians! Hell, the Indians almost died out entirely from that, the reason blacks made it was because they had been selected for several generations for their ability to endure pre-modern inhuman hardship in modern times! > Again, all opinions my own, YMMV. > Angel

And they suck. Steve

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hey moron! You’re in the wrong newsgroup! go sell your anarchy elsewhere!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ALL YOU MOREONS ARE GELOUS OF THE DOMININCE OF THE LAKERS A BIG UNSTOPABLE BLACK > MAN LIKE SHAQ OVERWELMS YOUR SENSES AND MAKES YOU FEAR FOR YOUR LIFES BECAUSE > YOU ARE RACEIST AND FEAR DOMININT BLACK MEN AND WISH THEY WERE IN JAIL SO YOU > CALL THE POLICE ON THEM KOBE HAS SHON TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT HE IS THE REESON > THE LAKERS AND NBA BASKETBALL IS LOVED BY NBC AND THE ENTIRE > WHITE MEN ARE RACIST AND MAKE BLACKS POOR BY HAVNG POLEASE ABUSE BLACKS SO MUCH > THAT WE HAVE TO RIOT YOU THINK RODNEY KING WAS THE ECSEPTION BUT HE WAS THE RULE > BLACK MEN ARE ALWAYS BEING KILLED BY WHITE PEOPLE WHO WANT US BLACKS TO BE > SLAVES AGAN SO WHITES BUY ALL THE TICKITS TO GAMES SO BLACK PEOPLE CANT GO THEN > THE WHITES CALL THE BLACKS NAMES LIKE NIGGER AND SPEAR CHUCKER KNOWING THEY ARE > AFRAID OF BLACK PEOPLE AND THEYRE SUPEARIER JEANS AND INTILLIGENS > EVEN THOUGH WHTIES WONT LET US GO TO THE GAMES ARE PEOPLE STILL GO BECAUSE > WHITES CANT PLAY SPORTS AT A HIGH LEVEL LIKE US BLACKS CAN SO WE GO TO GAMES AS > PLAYERS EVEN THOUGH THE RACIST WHITES WONT SELL TICKITS TO BLACKS BECAUSE THE > OWNERS ARE SCARRED OF RIOTS AND OTHER LIES THAT WHITE PEOPLE SAY ABOUT BLACKS > WHICH ARENT TRU > WE SHAL OVERCOME NO MATTER HOW MUCH WHITES TRY TO STOP US WITH GREATS LIKE KOBE > AND SHAQ SHOWING US THE WAY HERE IN LA COPS BEAT US FOR BEING BLACK AND WE TAKE > THAT AND USE IT AS EDUCATON WE HAVE SHONE ECKWALL INTELLACT AND WE WILL SHOW ALL > WHITE PEOPLE THAT WE TO BELONG AND ARE THE SAME ECSCEPT BETER DIVID AND CONCOR > DIDNT WORK WE ARE STILL HERE AND NO LONGER SLAVES SHAQ AND KOBE HAVE SHOWED THE > WAY AND WE SHALL OVERCOM AND RULE EARTH TANKS TO THE MONEY BLACKS HAVE MADE > PLAYING SPORTS FOR WHITES SPORTS WILL BE THE WHITE MANS DOWN FALL WE HAVE THE > MONEY AND POWER NOW OUR TIME IS NEAR > JAMAL

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> ALL YOU MOREONS ARE GELOUS OF THE DOMININCE OF THE LAKERS

Sigh.  Mother Hen is back, in drag.  Her spelling has deteriorated and she left her cap key on. Idiots like this are the reason white supremacist groups exist. Until blacks stop committing crimes at 3 times their rate of occurrence in the general population.  Until Education becomes something to strive for, not another thing to be oppressed by.  Until black men stand up, take charge of themselves and their neighboorhoods and their families, they will be on the bottom of the pecking order. They’ve had 30 years of government help out of poverty.  Maybe it’s time to stand on their own two feet and become something other than victims. (And don’t even start the victim stuff.  You can play more-victimized-than-thou with a Celt, but you can’t win!) Just my two cents. Your milage may vary.  All opinions my own, and based on experience or _Ain’t nobody’s business if you do_ Angel

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> > ALL YOU MOREONS ARE GELOUS OF THE DOMININCE OF THE LAKERS > Sigh.  Mother Hen is back, in drag.  Her spelling has deteriorated > and she left her cap key on. > Idiots like this are the reason white supremacist groups exist.

No, she IS EVIDENCE of white supremist planted postings to try to bring about their version of Helter-Skelter. If they realized how stupid they look they’d stop, but they’re clueless. > Until blacks stop committing crimes at 3 times their rate of occurrence > in > the general population.

They HAVE to. They have no prospects UNLESS they do! >  Until Education becomes something to strive > for,

That will take them being able to get hired without a decent education into a technical job when they can’t even read. Unlikely. > not another thing to be oppressed by.  Until black men stand up, > take charge of themselves and their neighboorhoods and their families, > they will be on the bottom of the pecking order.

Taking up the gun and trying to make money at drugs is the equivalent of taking the best job in the ghetto. Grow the fuck up! > They’ve had 30 years of government help out of poverty.  Maybe it’s time > to stand on > their own two feet and become something other than victims.

So you think 30 years of minute benefits which left them in poverty are supposed to correct 300 years of slavery!! You little ignorant white cunts are all alike. > (And don’t even start the victim stuff.  You can play > more-victimized-than-thou with a Celt, but you can’t win!)

"Celts" are just a mild form of white supremist in cultural drag. > Just my two cents. Your milage may vary.  All opinions my own, and based > on experience or > _Ain’t nobody’s business if you do_ > Angel

You’re a little rightist cunt who doesn’t really know how these things come about. Steve

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ALL YOU MOREONS ARE GELOUS OF THE DOMININCE OF THE LAKERS > Sigh.  Mother Hen is back, in drag.  Her spelling has deteriorated > and she left her cap key on. > Idiots like this are the reason white supremacist groups exist. > Until blacks stop committing crimes at 3 times their rate of occurrence > in > the general population.  Until Education becomes something to strive > for, > not another thing to be oppressed by.  Until black men stand up, > take charge of themselves and their neighboorhoods and their families, > they will be on the bottom of the pecking order.

THAT was one of the more offensive excuses for status quo policy I have ever heard. You think inner city kids have the same opportunities that suburbanites have? I’m with Steve here. It is not about black and white. It’s about rich and poor. And there is a pretty good reason that blacks commit more crimes. There are a good deal more poor blacks. And if you think that oppression of blacks ended with the Civil War, you are sorely mistaken. Just look at death rows around the country to see what the economic and race gap is like. Why do you have "education" capitalized? > They’ve had 30 years of government help out of poverty.  Maybe it’s time > to stand on > their own two feet and become something other than victims. > (And don’t even start the victim stuff.  You can play > more-victimized-than-thou with a Celt, but you can’t win!)

What you really mean by this post is that black oppression gets more play then Celtic oppression? I’m sorry for you. Stephanie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just my two cents. Your milage may vary.  All opinions my own, and based > on experience or > _Ain’t nobody’s business if you do_ > Angel

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Angel again I can’t disagree with Steve’s assessment of me. I am a rightist and proud of it. I do disagree with his idea that being poor entitles one to commit crime.  No, being poor requires one to work hard and harder to get out of it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > ALL YOU MOREONS ARE GELOUS OF THE DOMININCE OF THE LAKERS > Sigh.  Mother Hen is back, in drag.  Her spelling has deteriorated > and she left her cap key on. > Idiots like this are the reason white supremacist groups exist. > Until blacks stop committing crimes at 3 times their rate of occurrence > in > the general population.  Until Education becomes something to strive > for, > not another thing to be oppressed by.  Until black men stand up, > take charge of themselves and their neighboorhoods and their families, > they will be on the bottom of the pecking order. > THAT was one of the more offensive excuses for status quo policy I have ever > heard. You think inner city kids have the same opportunities that > suburbanites have?

I know they don’t.  And poor rural kids, of any color, don’t have the opportunities my kids will have.  I didn’t have the opportunities and education my kids will have. Why do you think we worked hard to get out of the poor school district and into a wealthier one? I’ve subbed in some of the inner city schools, and poor delta schools. I’ve seen the kids come in and express the idea that "School is just more white shit we don’t need."  These were, naturally, the kids that live in detention because they don’t control themselves enough to sit down, be quiet and keep the rude language out of their mouths. (They don’t talk like that at church, so they _can_ control it) >I’m with Steve here. It is not about black and white. > It’s about rich and poor. And there is a pretty good reason that blacks > commit more crimes. There are a good deal more poor blacks.

Actually the average welfare mom is white. Poverty is not an excuse for criminality.  Everyone was poor during the Depression. The vast majority of blacks are law-abiding, even if they are poor. >And if you think > that oppression of blacks ended with the Civil War, you are sorely mistaken. > Just look at death rows around the country to see what the economic and race > gap is like.

I don’t believe anyone is any more oppressed than they let themselves be. Not in this country at any rate.  Not women, not blacks, not hispanics or Jewish people. (Gays, well there is the whole marriage thing…) If you can’t find a subtle way to thwart those you consider your oppressors, you deserve what you get. If you’re poor, and you commit a capital crime, you can expect a capital sentence. If you’re rich, you can afford a good mouthpiece to get you off. Like I said, blacks are 15% of the population, yet make up 45% of the prison population. Of course death row stats are going to be as skewed as the rest of them. I support the death penalty for sheer recidivism prevention. > Why do you have "education" capitalized?

Because I mean "Education" as a whole not just an education, not just some schooling. There is _no_ excuse for anyone to get out of first grade without being able to read and write.  My kids are coming out of the poorest school in town.  And West Memphis is NOT a wealthy town.  My daughter plans to read 50 books this summer, and my just-out-of-kindergarten son wants to read 20. There is no excuse for anyone to be incapable of basic arithmetic operations in 5th grade, yet my husband gets 8th graders who can’t multiply. > They’ve had 30 years of government help out of poverty.  Maybe it’s time > to stand on > their own two feet and become something other than victims. > (And don’t even start the victim stuff.  You can play > more-victimized-than-thou with a Celt, but you can’t win!) > What you really mean by this post is that black oppression gets more play > then Celtic oppression? I’m sorry for you.

No, I mean that if one acts in an inferior manner, one must expect to be treated as an inferior. And "Celt" is not a code word for "white racist." No more than "Norman" or "Saxon barbarian" as I affectionately call my husband is a code.  Of course, Aryan should never be used by anyone who isn’t discussing Indo-european language roots. Down here the code word for white is "Christian."  Steve, if you’re going to fling fewmets, at least tilt them at the proper windmill… A bunch of girls started with me about "Well, school is just one more way the whites give us grief.  They started with this and that.  And now they make us go to school." I corrected them with "You grandparents and great-grandparents fought for you to go to this school, you know that?  Three hundred years? Three hundred years is nothing.  Bah, the Romans were stomping on the Irish before they moved to Africa and took Cleopatra. And it’s _still_ an occupied country 2000 years later.  Now let’s hear you’re ‘I gotta go to school and it’s oppressing me,’ complaint again?" Again, all opinions my own, YMMV. Salt mine to your left Angel

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > ALL YOU MOREONS ARE GELOUS OF THE DOMININCE OF THE LAKERS A BIG UNSTOPABLE BLACK > MAN LIKE SHAQ OVERWELMS YOUR SENSES AND MAKES YOU FEAR FOR YOUR LIFES BECAUSE > YOU ARE RACEIST AND FEAR DOMININT BLACK MEN AND WISH THEY WERE IN JAIL SO YOU > CALL THE POLICE ON THEM KOBE HAS SHON TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT HE IS THE REESON > THE LAKERS AND NBA BASKETBALL IS LOVED BY NBC AND THE ENTIRE > WHITE MEN ARE RACIST AND MAKE BLACKS POOR BY HAVNG POLEASE ABUSE BLACKS SO MUCH > THAT WE HAVE TO RIOT YOU THINK RODNEY KING WAS THE ECSEPTION BUT HE WAS THE RULE > BLACK MEN ARE ALWAYS BEING KILLED BY WHITE PEOPLE WHO WANT US BLACKS TO BE > SLAVES AGAN SO WHITES BUY ALL THE TICKITS TO GAMES SO BLACK PEOPLE CANT GO THEN > THE WHITES CALL THE BLACKS NAMES LIKE NIGGER AND SPEAR CHUCKER KNOWING THEY ARE > AFRAID OF BLACK PEOPLE AND THEYRE SUPEARIER JEANS AND INTILLIGENS > EVEN THOUGH WHTIES WONT LET US GO TO THE GAMES ARE PEOPLE STILL GO BECAUSE > WHITES CANT PLAY SPORTS AT A HIGH LEVEL LIKE US BLACKS CAN SO WE GO TO GAMES AS > PLAYERS EVEN THOUGH THE RACIST WHITES WONT SELL TICKITS TO BLACKS BECAUSE THE > OWNERS ARE SCARRED OF RIOTS AND OTHER LIES THAT WHITE PEOPLE SAY ABOUT BLACKS > WHICH ARENT TRU > WE SHAL OVERCOME NO MATTER HOW MUCH WHITES TRY TO STOP US WITH GREATS LIKE KOBE > AND SHAQ SHOWING US THE WAY HERE IN LA COPS BEAT US FOR BEING BLACK AND WE TAKE > THAT AND USE IT AS EDUCATON WE HAVE SHONE ECKWALL INTELLACT AND WE WILL SHOW ALL > WHITE PEOPLE THAT WE TO BELONG AND ARE THE SAME ECSCEPT BETER DIVID AND CONCOR > DIDNT WORK WE ARE STILL HERE AND NO LONGER SLAVES SHAQ AND KOBE HAVE SHOWED THE > WAY AND WE SHALL OVERCOM AND RULE EARTH TANKS TO THE MONEY BLACKS HAVE MADE > PLAYING SPORTS FOR WHITES SPORTS WILL BE THE WHITE MANS DOWN FALL WE HAVE THE > MONEY AND POWER NOW OUR TIME IS NEAR > JAMAL

Black rich men are just as much bastards as white rich men. It’s about oppression by the wealthy, not racism. Racism is old and tired. You need to turn your caps lock off and learn to spell, and then start addressing the REAL enemy who are the wealthy! As long as you think that it’s about race you’re only doing what the masters want you to do!! Steve

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hmm maybe the war in his own mind ?  :) a spell checker helps to make sense of this garbled message ! are you one of those who think that they are a legend in their own mind – perhaps?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ALL YOU MOREONS ARE GELOUS OF THE DOMININCE OF THE LAKERS A BIG UNSTOPABLE BLACK > MAN LIKE SHAQ OVERWELMS YOUR SENSES AND MAKES YOU FEAR FOR YOUR LIFES BECAUSE > YOU ARE RACEIST AND FEAR DOMININT BLACK MEN AND WISH THEY WERE IN JAIL SO YOU > CALL THE POLICE ON THEM KOBE HAS SHON TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT HE IS THE REESON > THE LAKERS AND NBA BASKETBALL IS LOVED BY NBC AND THE ENTIRE > WHITE MEN ARE RACIST AND MAKE BLACKS POOR BY HAVNG POLEASE ABUSE BLACKS SO MUCH > THAT WE HAVE TO RIOT YOU THINK RODNEY KING WAS THE ECSEPTION BUT HE WAS THE RULE > BLACK MEN ARE ALWAYS BEING KILLED BY WHITE PEOPLE WHO WANT US BLACKS TO BE > SLAVES AGAN SO WHITES BUY ALL THE TICKITS TO GAMES SO BLACK PEOPLE CANT GO THEN > THE WHITES CALL THE BLACKS NAMES LIKE NIGGER AND SPEAR CHUCKER KNOWING THEY ARE > AFRAID OF BLACK PEOPLE AND THEYRE SUPEARIER JEANS AND INTILLIGENS > EVEN THOUGH WHTIES WONT LET US GO TO THE GAMES ARE PEOPLE STILL GO BECAUSE > WHITES CANT PLAY SPORTS AT A HIGH LEVEL LIKE US BLACKS CAN SO WE GO TO GAMES AS > PLAYERS EVEN THOUGH THE RACIST WHITES WONT SELL TICKITS TO BLACKS BECAUSE THE > OWNERS ARE SCARRED OF RIOTS AND OTHER LIES THAT WHITE PEOPLE SAY ABOUT BLACKS > WHICH ARENT TRU > WE SHAL OVERCOME NO MATTER HOW MUCH WHITES TRY TO STOP US WITH GREATS LIKE KOBE > AND SHAQ SHOWING US THE WAY HERE IN LA COPS BEAT US FOR BEING BLACK AND WE TAKE > THAT AND USE IT AS EDUCATON WE HAVE SHONE ECKWALL INTELLACT AND WE WILL SHOW ALL > WHITE PEOPLE THAT WE TO BELONG AND ARE THE SAME ECSCEPT BETER DIVID AND CONCOR > DIDNT WORK WE ARE STILL HERE AND NO LONGER SLAVES SHAQ AND KOBE HAVE SHOWED THE > WAY AND WE SHALL OVERCOM AND RULE EARTH TANKS TO THE MONEY BLACKS HAVE MADE > PLAYING SPORTS FOR WHITES SPORTS WILL BE THE WHITE MANS DOWN FALL WE HAVE THE > MONEY AND POWER NOW OUR TIME IS NEAR > JAMAL

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